Monday, March 30, 2009

Better than Carol Marin and Phil Ponce w/Gov. Quinn: Berkowitz w/Rep. Susana Mendoza, Cable and Streaming

Jeff Berkowitz: What would you do... What would you do to make better use of the [Education] dollar?

State Rep. Mendoza: You know what I would do is actually--I have a district that has private schools that are closing because we don’t have enough children attending those schools. And I have [public] schools that are completely overcrowded. [Ed. note: Of course, the public schools do not compete fairly for the students, since parents must pay for their kids to attend the private schools- but not to attend the public schools]. That’s not a good use of our tax dollars with those individuals. I would consider moving some of these kids [from the public schools] into the private schools, whether it’s through a voucher system, or whether it’s through moving the tax money with that particular student to that [particular private] school--making better use of that [money].

Jeff Berkowitz: Right now in the city of Chicago—...the budget of the Chicago Public Schools ("CPS") is about six billion dollars. [The CPS has] about three hundred seventy thousand students. You divide one into the other, and it means on average you’re spending sixteen thousand dollars per kid, per year. If they were to say to you, Susanna Mendoza, Representative Mendoza, would you like the parents in your district to have their sixteen thousand dollars, and they can stay at their public school, or go to one of those private schools; a school voucher--school choice system-- fully funded, the same amount of money that’s being spent on those kids now, just transferred, if they want, to a private school. If they’re happy, they stay in the public school. Would you sign on to that program?
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The "Public Affairs," show, featuring State Rep. Susana Mendoza (D-Chicago), airs tonight in its regular cable scheduled slots throughout the City of Chicago at 8:30 pm on Cable Ch. 21(CANTV, aka Chicago Access Network TV) and in Aurora and surrounding areas at 7:30 pm on ACTV-10. The Aurora station, ACTV-10, aka Aurora Community Television, Comcast Cable Ch. 10, reaches all of Aurora, Bristol, Big Rock and parts of Oswego, Sandwich, Sugar Grove and Montgomery.
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You can also watch the show with State Rep. Susana Mendoza (D-Chicago) on your computer.
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The show with Rep. Mendoza was taped on March 8, 2009.
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The "Public Affairs," show, featuring State Rep. Susana Mendoza (D-Chicago) also airs throughout the City of Rockford (and in surrounding areas) this Thursday night, April 2 at 8:00 pm on Cable Ch. 17. Surrounding areas reached by Ch. 17 include Byron, Cedarville, Cherry Valley, Loves Park, Machesney Park, Mount Morris, New Milford, Portions of Ogle County, Oregon, Polo, Stillman Valley, Winnebago, Portions of Boone County and Poplar Grove.
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Jeff Berkowitz: Where would you cut spending? Senate President John Cullerton said on “At Issue, “ [Sunday morning political interview show, WBBM- 780 AM Radio, 9:00 am-9:30 am, hosted by Craig Dellimore] on March 8, 2009, that he’s focusing on the general revenue fund, twenty eight billion dollars. He says eleven billion dollars of that goes to education, eleven billion dollars goes to healthcare, six billion dollars goes to state operations…where would you cut [Cullerton asks]. Would you cut into healthcare, the 11 billion dollars [being spent there] ?

State Rep. Mendoza [D-Chicago]: I wouldn’t want to cut into healthcare, no.

Jeff Berkowitz: Would you cut into education, the eleven billion dollars?

State Rep. Mendoza: I think we need to look at how we fund our education and maybe get a little bit creative there. I don’t know if we make the best use of our dollars per pupil. So that’s an area that we can look at.

Jeff Berkowitz: What would you do... What would you do to make better use of the [Education] dollar?

State Rep. Mendoza: You know what I would do is actually--I have a district that has private schools that are closing because we don’t have enough children attending those schools. And I have [public] schools that are completely overcrowded. [Ed. note: Of course, the public schools do not compete fairly for the students, since parents must pay for their kids to attend the private schools- but not to attend the public schools]. That’s not a good use of our tax dollars with those individuals. I would consider moving some of these kids [from the public schools] into the private schools, whether it’s through a voucher system, or whether it’s through moving the tax money with that particular student to that [particular private] school--making better use of that [money].

Jeff Berkowitz: Right now in the city of Chicago...the budget of the Chicago Public Schools is about six billion dollars. About three hundred seventy thousand students. You divide one into the other, and it means on average you’re spending sixteen thousand per kid, per year. If they were to say to you, Susanna Mendoza, Representative Mendoza, would you like the parents in your district to have their sixteen thousand dollars, and they can stay at their public school, or go to one of those private schools; a school voucher--school choice system-- fully funded, the same amount of money that’s being spent on those kids now, just transferred, if they want, to a private school. If they’re happy, they stay in the public school. Would you sign on to that program?

State Rep. Mendoza: Yes. Actually, I wouldn’t give the money directly to the parents. I would give it to the system.

Jeff Berkowitz: A voucher that says, if you go to that school, then the school gets sixteen thousand dollars?

State Rep. Mendoza: Exactly. Absolutely, I would support that. I know that the unions hate me for that-

Jeff Berkowitz: Teachers’ unions.

State Rep. Mendoza: Of course.

Jeff Berkowitz: They hate you? That’s a strong word.

State Rep. Mendoza: I shouldn’t say that. They’ve never said that to me. That’s not right, because I do have a lot of friends [in the teachers unions].

Jeff Berkowitz: They may dislike your viewpoint.

State Rep. Mendoza [D-Chicago]: I don’t think they’re happy about my viewpoint on that. So it’s good I clarified that. But it’s true; I have to face the reality of the district I represent. It’s very clear to me, that if I want to give children the best education possible, that I need to look at all the alternatives. Whether it’s good charter schools—I have some great charter schools in my district that are run by Uno. They’re actually a model not just for Illinois but for the rest of the country. They were able to expand out in the ninth ward of New Orleans, because they were just so successful here in Chicago.

Jeff Berkowitz: Where Paul Vallas is [New Orleans school district], and where they’re pushing a school voucher program.

State Rep. Mendoza: Exactly, and they see how this works. So I’m totally pro-- charter school operation. Not all of them are perfect, but the ones in my district run great, and they’re scoring above average, as well as giving parents an opportunity to choose what’s best for their child. I don’t have a problem with that. I don’t think people should be scared about [school] choice.

Jeff Berkowitz: You’re still signing on to school vouchers, school choice?

State Rep. Mendoza: Absolutely
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Jeff Berkowitz: I’m told that in the Hispanic community and in the African-American community, school vouchers and school choice poll very well.

State Rep. Mendoza: They should.

Jeff Berkowitz: Your constituents would like to have this choice, school vouchers?

State Rep. Mendoza: Yes. Absolutely. People don’t like having their children in overcrowded schools.

Jeff Berkowitz: Not just people who are minorities, but people who are not minorities.

State Rep. Mendoza: Absolutely.

Jeff Berkowitz: Barack Obama has said he would support charter schools, but he said on this show, on this set, in June of 2002, before he was a US Senate candidate, and now President Obama, then state senator Barack Obama, said he would do anything to improve schools, and I said, even school vouchers, school choice? And he said, “I would look at it, and look at the research and so forth, I would do anything [to improve the intolerable conditions in the inner city schools.” So, almost a yes. But then in 2003, when he was a US Senate candidate, he said [on “Public Affairs,”] he supported charter schools, but not school vouchers. Do you think if you had a chance to talk to President Obama now, you would say perhaps he ought to reconsider? And you, representing your district, would like him to encourage Illinois to try school vouchers, school choice, at least in Chicago, and maybe in your district? Would you tell Barack Obama that right now, if he were here?

State Rep. Mendoza[D-Chicago]: If [President Obama] were here, and we were talking about this? Absolutely. Why would I change my opinion?

Jeff Berkowitz: Why do you suppose Barack Obama changed his mind on this?

State Rep. Mendoza: I have no idea. You’d have to ask him. I’m not going to speculate on that.

Jeff Berkowitz: Juan Andrade. I heard him speak on ABC-7’s [“News views,” on March 8, 2009”]. You know Juan Andrade?

State Rep. Mendoza: Of course.


Jeff Berkowitz: He’s with the US Leadership Institute, something like that.

State Rep. Mendoza: United States Hispanic Leadership Institute.

Jeff Berkowitz: Okay. Andrade was speaking on March 8th on ABC. I didn’t hear him talk about school vouchers and school choice.

State Rep. Mendoza: Okay. Did they ask him?

Jeff Berkowitz: I don’t know. I doubt that they did. He talked about education; he talked about things to do [to improve education for minorities]. But shouldn’t Juan Andrade be out there pushing school choice, not waiting to be asked? Isn’t that something that would be important to the Hispanic community?

State Rep. Mendoza [D-Chicago]: I don’t know if we’ve made that into an issue-- as a Hispanic community.

Jeff Berkowitz: But should you?

State Rep. Mendoza: That’s a good question. Maybe that’s something we should be looking at. I haven’t polled the rest of my colleagues on that. It hasn’t been a “Hispanic issue.” I think it goes well beyond being a Hispanic issue. It’s an issue of giving children, whatever nationality they are, wherever they come from, whatever part of the state they live in, the opportunity to have the best education they can have. It doesn’t apply to just Hispanics.

Jeff Berkowitz: It doesn’t apply to just Hispanics, or just African-Americans, but it is true that perhaps low-income areas are disproportionately—not because of inability, but because of maybe where they started—low-income areas are disproportionately minority, African-American and Hispanic, and the schools that don’t perform are disproportionately in low-income areas.

State Rep. Mendoza: Sure.

Jeff Berkowitz: So for that reason it might be that minorities would be more focused on school vouchers.

State Rep. Mendoza: Yeah.

Jeff Berkowitz: I may think—and others may agree--that Winnetka, and Skokie, where we tape, could benefit from school choice, but I think even more so, [that is the case in] areas where schools are not performing, kids are not learning.

State Rep. Mendoza: That’s a really good point, because if anything, we should be looking even at doing it as a pilot, because I know there have been attempts to do this as a statewide effort, and it always gets crushed.

Jeff Berkowitz: Do it in a certain area.

State Rep. Mendoza: Certain areas, yeah. Areas that are disproportionately affected by overcrowding.

Jeff Berkowitz: Might be more politically salable. So you might go back to the Legislature on this and propose a [school voucher] pilot?

State Rep. Mendoza [D-Chicago]: That’s a really good idea. Maybe in some of these Hispanic and African-American communities that are open to it and amenable. I don’t see why we shouldn’t be allowed to at least try to do what’s best for our kids.

Jeff Berkowitz: The Republicans I think tried it in when they had control of the House—before you were there—in ’95-’96. People say—for the last three decades—[Democratic House] Speaker Mike Madigan took a coffee break, two years off when he wasn’t Speaker. They [the Republicans] tried that. [A school voucher pilot] …It didn’t come off. Maybe the Democrats could try it.

State Rep. Mendoza: You know who tried that? Joe Lyons—I want to say, correct me, if I’m wrong, later and I’ll apologize to Joe if that’s not right—but I think that he’s a big supporter of school choice. I’m going to talk to him about it.

Jeff Berkowitz: Talk to the Speaker. I actually heard that he favored vouchers at one point. I haven’t heard that talk about him recently.

State Rep. Mendoza: I’ll talk to him about it. We need real vouchers, not this $500 tax credit thing….

Jeff Berkowitz: Fully funded. So when I say sixteen thousand is being spent in the city of Chicago…put the sixteen thousand in the backpack, strap the backpack on each of the three hundred seventy thousand kids that go to the Chicago Public Schools, if the kid, at the direction of the parent, goes out of the public school, to the private school, out goes the kid, out goes the backpack, out goes the sixteen thousand dollars. Not that measly five hundred dollar tax credit.

State Rep. Mendoza: That doesn’t even fix the problem. All that does is give people a five hundred dollar tax credit. But no one’s going to take their child out of a public school and put them in a private school for a [$500] tax credit. Those are people who are already sending their kids to private schools.
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Public Affairs thanks Amy Allen, one of its interns, for preparing a draft of the above partial transcript of our show with State Rep. Mendoza (D-Chicago).
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For more about Rep. Mendoza (and another partial transcript of the show with Mendoza, please go here
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Jeff Berkowitz, Show Host/Producer of "Public Affairs," and Executive Legal Recruiter doing legal search can be reached at JBCG@aol.com. *************************************************************
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