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Jeff Berkowitz: Well, if you are going to ask the questions, do I get to give any answers?
Ralph Martire: No, these are rhetorical because frankly I get a better conversation that way.
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Jeff Berkowitz: I want to know if you give this choice to these [Chicago Public School] parents...how is it that they are worse off? Because, they can go back to that public school [if they want]. Or, they can try the charter school, Or, they can try the voucher school. So, giving the parents this choice, this control over purchasing power, how is it that the parents and their kids are worse off?
Ralph Martire: Well, No. 1, they don’t have a real choice because the private school is not going to take them—the charter school might because the charter school can get rid of their kid, which the public school can’t. You see, one of the things that you have glossed over is—one of the advantages charter schools have over the regular public school system is that they can get rid of the dead weight. They can get rid of kids that are misbehaving...
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This Week's suburban edition of "Public Affairs," airing in the Chicago metro suburbs, features Ralph Martire, Executive Director of the Center for Tax and Budget Accountability, discussing public school, charter school and school voucher/school choice performance, accountability and funding issues with show host and legal recruiter Jeff Berkowitz.See, below, for the Public Affairs suburban airing schedule. You may also [Go Here to watch the show with Ralph Martire, as well as other shows with such notables as Obama, McCain, Giuliani, Barrett, Chico and many others on your computer; you can drag the dial on the bottom of the screen to watch only portions of the thirty minute shows; trouble accessing our cinema page on your computer? Try I-Tunes: the same Public Affairs shows are also available there].
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Ralph Martire will be the featured guest on the Monday, March 5, 2007 [8:30 pm, Cable Ch. 21] City of Chicago edition of "Public Affairs."
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The "Public Affairs," cinema page gives you a choice of more than twenty-five episodes of “Public Affairs," to watch on your computer including this week's suburban show with Ralph Martire. The cinema page also has recent shows with Ald. Berny Stone, Cook County Commissioner Forrest Claypool [D-Chicago], Sen. Garrett [D-Lake Forest], Sen. Syverson [R-Rockford], Metropolitan Planning Council President MarySue Barrett, Phantom of the City Council--Brendan Reilly, State Rep. Paul Froehlich, Eric Zorn-Dan Proft, John McCarron, Gery Chico, former State Sen. Steve Rauschenberger, Chicago Mayoral Candidate Dorothy Brown [D] and State Rep. Julie Hamos [D-Evanston], as well as interviews, discussions or remarks with or by U. S. Senators John McCain and Barack Obama, former NYC Mayor Rudy Giulianiand many, many more pols on our video podcast page[Go Here to Watch the Shows on your computer; you can drag the dial on the bottom of the screen to watch only portions of the thirty minute shows].
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Ralph Martire, Executive Director of the Center for Tax and Budget Accountability and the architect of Illinois State House Bill 750 [the Tax Swap], debates and discusses with show host and legal recruiter Jeff Berkowitz the merits and deficiencies of school choice-school voucher programs, charter schools and traditional public schools; the merits and deficiencies of academic analyses of school choice-school voucher programs and analyses of private/public school performance; the benefits of allowing parents to choose between voucher schools, charter schools and traditional public schools; Illinois' ranking in terms of spending per pupil, state and local spending per capita, and state and local tax collections per capita; Berkowitz' offer of a backpack full of money to Martire, Martire's portrayal of capitalism and competition; how best to deal with educating kids in the inner city; the tax swap aspects and substantial net tax increases associated with HB 750, and much, much more. .
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Jeff Berkowitz: …if [a public school, a local monopoly] needs to expand its facilities, it goes to a referendum or it raise taxes without a referendum, depending on where it is—that’s a very different world than the world I was trying to get you to look at: one in which there is choice by parents for either a public school, a charter school, a voucher school. Give the parents the control. Give them the funds and let them decide where they want to put it. You’ve seen the example here, we take the $12,000 and put it in the backpack—
Ralph Martire [Executive Director, Center for Tax and Budget Accountability]: I am telling you it won’t work. You want to talk about private sector models—Let’s talk about what the private sector motive is. So, if you are running a private school, you want to encourage people who can attend your school and pay your tuition because you want to make a profit. It’s a private school- nothing evil about that. That’s what the profit motive is about. That’s what capitalism is all about.
Jeff Berkowitz: Adam Smith, you know about him?
Ralph Martire: Yes, I do. So, now. You want to make money. You want to get money in your school. You want to get paid well. You want to get endowments. How are you going to do that? How are you going to differentiate yourself?
Jeff Berkowitz: Well, let me—
Ralph Martire: Well, you are going to show better test results.
Jeff Berkowitz: Well, if you are going to ask the questions, do I get to give any answers?
Ralph Martire: No, these are rhetorical because frankly I get a better conversation that way.
Jeff Berkowitz: Tell me when I get a chance to talk on my show.
Ralph Martire: I will. This is rhetorical. So, now, you are out there trying to make your money, being profit motivated, right? You solicited the best students you can from the wealthiest families. They are going to do the best on tests and then you are going to market that out there so you could raise your tuition prices, you can make a lot of money, you can control your costs, you are all good. If, now, you have to take any kid in the door, any kid. And, maybe take some public money- you’re not going to get endowments from their parents, whatever and those kids may or may not pass tests, your tests scores are—you can no longer differentiate yourself and I think the private schools would hate that--that’s not the private school model. Let the private schools do what they want to do-- make a public education available for every child in the state that’s a quality public education-- and fix the public education system.
Jeff Berkowitz: Now, can I give you an example.
Ralph Martire: Sure you can.
Jeff Berkowitz: And, maybe you can answer my questions. These aren’t going to be rhetorical questions.
Ralph Martire: I was hoping you were going to give me some money. You took some money out of your wallet- I’ll take that.
Jeff Berkowitz: $12,000 per kid per year. Actually, that’s a little high. Maybe it’s $11,500 that we spend per kid in the Chicago Public Schools [CPS] each year. We put the money in this backpack. We have 420,000 students [in the CPS]; we’ve got 420,000 backpacks. Each parent or two parents, whichever the child has, gets one of these backpacks. They get the $12,000 and they get to decide whether they want to send their kid to a public or private school-- charter school, voucher school, whatever. They strap this backpack on the kid. The parents decide. If the kid goes to the public school, back where he or she was, nothing changes [for that kid, except due to competition from the voucher/charter schools, the empirical evidence is that the public school improves over time] The $12,000, or so, we’re spending per kid per year stays in that public school. But, if they want to go to a charter school, if they want to go to a school voucher-school choice school, out goes the kid, out goes the backpack, out goes the cash. Now, I’m asking you—do you want to give people that level of choice, where they can make the decision and Ralph, I assure you this, personally: if many kids want to go to a voucher school that’s a really good school and that school is a little short [of capacity], I assure you that that school will either expand or open up another school elsewhere, maybe two blocks away from the voucher school that is much in demand. So, the problem you’re talking about [of kids being turned away from voucher schools] just isn’t going to happen. And, we’ve never tried this, Ralph. We’ve tried school voucher-[school choice] programs, but I don’t know of any that are fully funded [i.e., the pro rata share of what is currently being spent in the public schools of that jurisdiction is included in each school voucher]. There are some voucher programs that they are starting now in Utah where they might give the school voucher student half the level of public spending. So, if you give that [full] level of spending to those parents and they can choose, there’s going to be all sorts of competition that will evolve, all sorts of ways in which these kids [in the inner city], with very difficult problems, and I concede that—these are often kids who don’t have parents who read to them regularly [and most likely not] every night. They may have drug use in the home; they may have [issues of family] violence. So, I concede that. Public schools [in the inner cities] are dealing with very difficult problems. My point to you is that I don’t necessarily know the best way to deal with it [educating kids with these environmental problems]; I don’t think you know and I don’t think the people who are currently educating them know. And, that’s not a criticism. That says that under competition, we’ll find new ways, we’ll find better ways to deal with these intractable problems.
Ralph Martire: Except—
Jeff Berkowitz: Excuse me. Now, my one question for you.
Ralph Martire: Okay.
Jeff Berkowitz: I want to know if you give this choice to these [Chicago Public School] parents now- one out of every two with kids in a failing school, or more; one out of every two with kids not reading at grade level, how is it that they are worse off? Because, they can go back to that public school [if they want]. Or, they can try the charter school, Or, they can try the voucher school. So, giving the parents this choice, this control over purchasing power, how is it that the parents and their kids are worse off?
Ralph Martire: Well, No. 1, they don’t have a real choice because the private school is not going to take them—the charter school might because the charter school can get rid of their kid, which the public school can’t. You see, one of the things that you have glossed over is—one of the advantages charter schools have over the regular public school system is that they can get rid of the dead weight. They can get rid of kids that are misbehaving in class. They can get rid of kids that are discipline problems. They can get rid of kids that threaten teachers. Public schools can’t. That’s a real differentiator.
Jeff Berkowitz: They [public schools] actually can. They have alternative schools. So, its not quite true to say they can’t.
Ralph Martire: Well, it’s very hard to do that. You know that. I mean, so the bottom line is—
Jeff Berkowitz: They send them to "alternative schools." They even do that right in this [studio] area, from New Trier Township schools.
Ralph Martire: No. 2, the private schools aren’t going to take these kids. They don’t care if they come with $12,000-- because mommy and daddy aren’t going to write an endowment [check]. That’s just the truth.
Jeff Berkowitz: They [the voucher schools] don’t need an endowment. You missed the whole point [of how school vouchers work; the schools are competing for vouchers, not endowments].
Ralph Martire: No. 3, you completely, you completely understate the capital costs involved. If you really wanted to create this new monster public school system, it would have to have a whole new capital set of improvements. How many billions of dollars to build all the schools to build enough choice in--
Jeff Berkowitz: You don’t understand capitalism [For example, if half the kids left the Chicago Public Schools (“CPS”) for charter or voucher schools, those CPS buildings would be available for leasing to the new schools; those leasing costs are included in a fully funded $12,000 school voucher. This is how capitalism works. Competitors of failing firms often purchase or lease the failing firm’s assets, but put them to more efficient and productive use than the prior owner.]
Ralph Martire: So, the bottom line is we’ve got to go back right to the core
Jeff Berkowitz: Excuse me.
Ralph Martire: Right to the core and say the public education system has to be there to deliver quality education to every kid.
Jeff Berkowitz: I have to interrupt just to …thank our guest, Ralph Martire. Thank you so much for coming. Ralph Martire is Executive Director of the Center for Tax and Budget Accountability. He’s been a good sport. He knew he was going to debate these issues and he came on the show. There are a lot of people who won’t do that—whether they are politicians, whether they are involved, as Ralph is, in a think tank, in a research organization, in an advocacy group…so we thank you…
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Ralph Martire, as is airing this week on Public Affairs in 35 Chicago Metro suburbs [See below for the suburban airing schedule] and as will be airing on Monday, March 5, 2007 [8:30 pm on Cable, CANTV] on the City of Chicago edition of Public Affairs. The show was recorded on February 25, 2007. You may also[watch the show with Ralph Martire here].
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In twenty-five North Shore, North and Northwest suburbs, the "Public Affairs," show airs every Tuesday night in the regular weekly Public Affairs slot, 8:30 pm on Comcast Cable Ch. 19 or 35, as indicated, below.
In ten North Shore suburbs, the Public Affairs show airs three times each week in its regular slots at 8:30 pm on Comcast Cable Ch. 19, Monday, Wednesday and Friday, as indicated, below. ******************************************************
The suburban episode of Public Affairs with guest Ralph Martire airs Tonight :
at 8:30 pm on Comcast Cable Channel 19 in Buffalo Grove, Elk Grove Village, Hoffman Estates, parts of Inverness, Lincolnwood, Morton Grove, Niles, Northfield, Palatine, Rolling Meadows and Wilmette
And at 8:30 pm on Comcast Cable Channel 35 in Arlington Heights, Bartlett, Glenview, Golf, Des Plaines, Hanover Park, Mt. Prospect, Northbrook, Park Ridge, Prospect Heights, Schaumburg, Skokie, Streamwood and Wheeling.
and this week on Monday night, Wednesday night and Friday night at 8:30 pm on Comcast Cable Channel 19 in Bannockburn, Deerfield, Ft. Sheridan, Glencoe, Highland Park, Highwood, Kenilworth, Lincolnshire, Riverwoods and Winnetka.
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The City of Chicago edition of "Public Affairs," with guest Ralph Martire airs this coming Monday night at 8:30 pm on Cable Ch. 21 [CANTV] throughout the City of Chicago.
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Jeff Berkowitz, Show Host/Producer of "Public Affairs," and Executive Legal Recruiter doing legal search can be reached at JBCG@aol.com
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Ralph Martire: No, these are rhetorical because frankly I get a better conversation that way.
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Jeff Berkowitz: I want to know if you give this choice to these [Chicago Public School] parents...how is it that they are worse off? Because, they can go back to that public school [if they want]. Or, they can try the charter school, Or, they can try the voucher school. So, giving the parents this choice, this control over purchasing power, how is it that the parents and their kids are worse off?
Ralph Martire: Well, No. 1, they don’t have a real choice because the private school is not going to take them—the charter school might because the charter school can get rid of their kid, which the public school can’t. You see, one of the things that you have glossed over is—one of the advantages charter schools have over the regular public school system is that they can get rid of the dead weight. They can get rid of kids that are misbehaving...
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This Week's suburban edition of "Public Affairs," airing in the Chicago metro suburbs, features Ralph Martire, Executive Director of the Center for Tax and Budget Accountability, discussing public school, charter school and school voucher/school choice performance, accountability and funding issues with show host and legal recruiter Jeff Berkowitz.See, below, for the Public Affairs suburban airing schedule. You may also [Go Here to watch the show with Ralph Martire, as well as other shows with such notables as Obama, McCain, Giuliani, Barrett, Chico and many others on your computer; you can drag the dial on the bottom of the screen to watch only portions of the thirty minute shows; trouble accessing our cinema page on your computer? Try I-Tunes: the same Public Affairs shows are also available there].
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Ralph Martire will be the featured guest on the Monday, March 5, 2007 [8:30 pm, Cable Ch. 21] City of Chicago edition of "Public Affairs."
*************************************************
The "Public Affairs," cinema page gives you a choice of more than twenty-five episodes of “Public Affairs," to watch on your computer including this week's suburban show with Ralph Martire. The cinema page also has recent shows with Ald. Berny Stone, Cook County Commissioner Forrest Claypool [D-Chicago], Sen. Garrett [D-Lake Forest], Sen. Syverson [R-Rockford], Metropolitan Planning Council President MarySue Barrett, Phantom of the City Council--Brendan Reilly, State Rep. Paul Froehlich, Eric Zorn-Dan Proft, John McCarron, Gery Chico, former State Sen. Steve Rauschenberger, Chicago Mayoral Candidate Dorothy Brown [D] and State Rep. Julie Hamos [D-Evanston], as well as interviews, discussions or remarks with or by U. S. Senators John McCain and Barack Obama, former NYC Mayor Rudy Giulianiand many, many more pols on our video podcast page[Go Here to Watch the Shows on your computer; you can drag the dial on the bottom of the screen to watch only portions of the thirty minute shows].
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Ralph Martire, Executive Director of the Center for Tax and Budget Accountability and the architect of Illinois State House Bill 750 [the Tax Swap], debates and discusses with show host and legal recruiter Jeff Berkowitz the merits and deficiencies of school choice-school voucher programs, charter schools and traditional public schools; the merits and deficiencies of academic analyses of school choice-school voucher programs and analyses of private/public school performance; the benefits of allowing parents to choose between voucher schools, charter schools and traditional public schools; Illinois' ranking in terms of spending per pupil, state and local spending per capita, and state and local tax collections per capita; Berkowitz' offer of a backpack full of money to Martire, Martire's portrayal of capitalism and competition; how best to deal with educating kids in the inner city; the tax swap aspects and substantial net tax increases associated with HB 750, and much, much more. .
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Jeff Berkowitz: …if [a public school, a local monopoly] needs to expand its facilities, it goes to a referendum or it raise taxes without a referendum, depending on where it is—that’s a very different world than the world I was trying to get you to look at: one in which there is choice by parents for either a public school, a charter school, a voucher school. Give the parents the control. Give them the funds and let them decide where they want to put it. You’ve seen the example here, we take the $12,000 and put it in the backpack—
Ralph Martire [Executive Director, Center for Tax and Budget Accountability]: I am telling you it won’t work. You want to talk about private sector models—Let’s talk about what the private sector motive is. So, if you are running a private school, you want to encourage people who can attend your school and pay your tuition because you want to make a profit. It’s a private school- nothing evil about that. That’s what the profit motive is about. That’s what capitalism is all about.
Jeff Berkowitz: Adam Smith, you know about him?
Ralph Martire: Yes, I do. So, now. You want to make money. You want to get money in your school. You want to get paid well. You want to get endowments. How are you going to do that? How are you going to differentiate yourself?
Jeff Berkowitz: Well, let me—
Ralph Martire: Well, you are going to show better test results.
Jeff Berkowitz: Well, if you are going to ask the questions, do I get to give any answers?
Ralph Martire: No, these are rhetorical because frankly I get a better conversation that way.
Jeff Berkowitz: Tell me when I get a chance to talk on my show.
Ralph Martire: I will. This is rhetorical. So, now, you are out there trying to make your money, being profit motivated, right? You solicited the best students you can from the wealthiest families. They are going to do the best on tests and then you are going to market that out there so you could raise your tuition prices, you can make a lot of money, you can control your costs, you are all good. If, now, you have to take any kid in the door, any kid. And, maybe take some public money- you’re not going to get endowments from their parents, whatever and those kids may or may not pass tests, your tests scores are—you can no longer differentiate yourself and I think the private schools would hate that--that’s not the private school model. Let the private schools do what they want to do-- make a public education available for every child in the state that’s a quality public education-- and fix the public education system.
Jeff Berkowitz: Now, can I give you an example.
Ralph Martire: Sure you can.
Jeff Berkowitz: And, maybe you can answer my questions. These aren’t going to be rhetorical questions.
Ralph Martire: I was hoping you were going to give me some money. You took some money out of your wallet- I’ll take that.
Jeff Berkowitz: $12,000 per kid per year. Actually, that’s a little high. Maybe it’s $11,500 that we spend per kid in the Chicago Public Schools [CPS] each year. We put the money in this backpack. We have 420,000 students [in the CPS]; we’ve got 420,000 backpacks. Each parent or two parents, whichever the child has, gets one of these backpacks. They get the $12,000 and they get to decide whether they want to send their kid to a public or private school-- charter school, voucher school, whatever. They strap this backpack on the kid. The parents decide. If the kid goes to the public school, back where he or she was, nothing changes [for that kid, except due to competition from the voucher/charter schools, the empirical evidence is that the public school improves over time] The $12,000, or so, we’re spending per kid per year stays in that public school. But, if they want to go to a charter school, if they want to go to a school voucher-school choice school, out goes the kid, out goes the backpack, out goes the cash. Now, I’m asking you—do you want to give people that level of choice, where they can make the decision and Ralph, I assure you this, personally: if many kids want to go to a voucher school that’s a really good school and that school is a little short [of capacity], I assure you that that school will either expand or open up another school elsewhere, maybe two blocks away from the voucher school that is much in demand. So, the problem you’re talking about [of kids being turned away from voucher schools] just isn’t going to happen. And, we’ve never tried this, Ralph. We’ve tried school voucher-[school choice] programs, but I don’t know of any that are fully funded [i.e., the pro rata share of what is currently being spent in the public schools of that jurisdiction is included in each school voucher]. There are some voucher programs that they are starting now in Utah where they might give the school voucher student half the level of public spending. So, if you give that [full] level of spending to those parents and they can choose, there’s going to be all sorts of competition that will evolve, all sorts of ways in which these kids [in the inner city], with very difficult problems, and I concede that—these are often kids who don’t have parents who read to them regularly [and most likely not] every night. They may have drug use in the home; they may have [issues of family] violence. So, I concede that. Public schools [in the inner cities] are dealing with very difficult problems. My point to you is that I don’t necessarily know the best way to deal with it [educating kids with these environmental problems]; I don’t think you know and I don’t think the people who are currently educating them know. And, that’s not a criticism. That says that under competition, we’ll find new ways, we’ll find better ways to deal with these intractable problems.
Ralph Martire: Except—
Jeff Berkowitz: Excuse me. Now, my one question for you.
Ralph Martire: Okay.
Jeff Berkowitz: I want to know if you give this choice to these [Chicago Public School] parents now- one out of every two with kids in a failing school, or more; one out of every two with kids not reading at grade level, how is it that they are worse off? Because, they can go back to that public school [if they want]. Or, they can try the charter school, Or, they can try the voucher school. So, giving the parents this choice, this control over purchasing power, how is it that the parents and their kids are worse off?
Ralph Martire: Well, No. 1, they don’t have a real choice because the private school is not going to take them—the charter school might because the charter school can get rid of their kid, which the public school can’t. You see, one of the things that you have glossed over is—one of the advantages charter schools have over the regular public school system is that they can get rid of the dead weight. They can get rid of kids that are misbehaving in class. They can get rid of kids that are discipline problems. They can get rid of kids that threaten teachers. Public schools can’t. That’s a real differentiator.
Jeff Berkowitz: They [public schools] actually can. They have alternative schools. So, its not quite true to say they can’t.
Ralph Martire: Well, it’s very hard to do that. You know that. I mean, so the bottom line is—
Jeff Berkowitz: They send them to "alternative schools." They even do that right in this [studio] area, from New Trier Township schools.
Ralph Martire: No. 2, the private schools aren’t going to take these kids. They don’t care if they come with $12,000-- because mommy and daddy aren’t going to write an endowment [check]. That’s just the truth.
Jeff Berkowitz: They [the voucher schools] don’t need an endowment. You missed the whole point [of how school vouchers work; the schools are competing for vouchers, not endowments].
Ralph Martire: No. 3, you completely, you completely understate the capital costs involved. If you really wanted to create this new monster public school system, it would have to have a whole new capital set of improvements. How many billions of dollars to build all the schools to build enough choice in--
Jeff Berkowitz: You don’t understand capitalism [For example, if half the kids left the Chicago Public Schools (“CPS”) for charter or voucher schools, those CPS buildings would be available for leasing to the new schools; those leasing costs are included in a fully funded $12,000 school voucher. This is how capitalism works. Competitors of failing firms often purchase or lease the failing firm’s assets, but put them to more efficient and productive use than the prior owner.]
Ralph Martire: So, the bottom line is we’ve got to go back right to the core
Jeff Berkowitz: Excuse me.
Ralph Martire: Right to the core and say the public education system has to be there to deliver quality education to every kid.
Jeff Berkowitz: I have to interrupt just to …thank our guest, Ralph Martire. Thank you so much for coming. Ralph Martire is Executive Director of the Center for Tax and Budget Accountability. He’s been a good sport. He knew he was going to debate these issues and he came on the show. There are a lot of people who won’t do that—whether they are politicians, whether they are involved, as Ralph is, in a think tank, in a research organization, in an advocacy group…so we thank you…
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Ralph Martire, as is airing this week on Public Affairs in 35 Chicago Metro suburbs [See below for the suburban airing schedule] and as will be airing on Monday, March 5, 2007 [8:30 pm on Cable, CANTV] on the City of Chicago edition of Public Affairs. The show was recorded on February 25, 2007. You may also[watch the show with Ralph Martire here].
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In twenty-five North Shore, North and Northwest suburbs, the "Public Affairs," show airs every Tuesday night in the regular weekly Public Affairs slot, 8:30 pm on Comcast Cable Ch. 19 or 35, as indicated, below.
In ten North Shore suburbs, the Public Affairs show airs three times each week in its regular slots at 8:30 pm on Comcast Cable Ch. 19, Monday, Wednesday and Friday, as indicated, below. ******************************************************
The suburban episode of Public Affairs with guest Ralph Martire airs Tonight :
at 8:30 pm on Comcast Cable Channel 19 in Buffalo Grove, Elk Grove Village, Hoffman Estates, parts of Inverness, Lincolnwood, Morton Grove, Niles, Northfield, Palatine, Rolling Meadows and Wilmette
And at 8:30 pm on Comcast Cable Channel 35 in Arlington Heights, Bartlett, Glenview, Golf, Des Plaines, Hanover Park, Mt. Prospect, Northbrook, Park Ridge, Prospect Heights, Schaumburg, Skokie, Streamwood and Wheeling.
and this week on Monday night, Wednesday night and Friday night at 8:30 pm on Comcast Cable Channel 19 in Bannockburn, Deerfield, Ft. Sheridan, Glencoe, Highland Park, Highwood, Kenilworth, Lincolnshire, Riverwoods and Winnetka.
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The City of Chicago edition of "Public Affairs," with guest Ralph Martire airs this coming Monday night at 8:30 pm on Cable Ch. 21 [CANTV] throughout the City of Chicago.
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Jeff Berkowitz, Show Host/Producer of "Public Affairs," and Executive Legal Recruiter doing legal search can be reached at JBCG@aol.com
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