Dated January 31, 2005 at 7:00 pm
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Chris Matthews on “Public Affairs,” tonight at 8:30 pm on Cable Ch. 21 through-out the City of Chicago.
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Did Chris Matthews call Democrats socialists? Well, not quite, but very close. Alan Keyes, on the other hand, as a U. S. Senate candidate last year, minced no words and got skewered for it.
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Chris Matthews: That was a spontaneous moment of leadership- and it separated him [President George W. Bush] from all the rest of us and it made him our Leader.
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Berkowitz: They would agree that they [Democrats] are not the party of economic freedom?
Matthews: They [Democrats] would agree that they are the party of more socialized economic activism, which limits people’s freedom…
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Matthews: Generally, the Democratic Party always goes for a public solution over a private solution. Sure, that’s a fact.
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Tonight's "Public Affairs," show features Chris Matthews speaking at the Union League Club of Chicago to the Authors’ Group about "W" and Gore and then Matthews faces 12 minutes of grilling from Berkowitz on Social Security, which political party is the Freedom Party, Abortion, Vouchers, the Clintons and much, much more. The shows airs at 8:30 pm on Cable Ch. 21 through-out the City of Chicago. It was taped on Nov. 8, 2001, just 7 weeks “after planes into NYC buildings.” In terms of Matthews' attitude toward Bush, what a difference a War makes.
A partial transcript of our show with Matthews is included directly below. For more on tonight's show, including another partial transcript, see the blog entry, below, dated January 21 at 12:30 am.
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Chris Matthews: [Al] Gore thought that if you did your homework, the teacher would like you. And, your fellow students would like you even more. Where he got that idea, I don’t know. He’s the kid with his hand in the face of the teacher, over all the other kids’—he always has the right answer… The third debate is what he [Gore] called his Goldilocks debate because he said it was just right. Well, my attitude is—I knew Goldilocks, I grew up with Goldilocks and you’re no Goldilocks…
I think it is interesting that a man who couldn’t win legitimacy from the Supreme Court’s 5 to 4 decision last year …received legitimacy in the most sacramental way on September 14th, the Friday after [September 11, 2001] when he want to New York [at the 9/11 site] and stood with that older fireman and put his arm around him and somebody yelled, “I can’t hear you,” and he said, “Well, I can hear you, and soon the people who knocked down these buildings are going to hear from all of us.” That was a spontaneous moment of leadership- and it separated him from all the rest of us and it made him our Leader. And so, George Bush, who didn’t have a mission- he was down at the ranch hanging out sometime in August [2001], looking for something to do…ride around in his jeep or check the fence …now he had a mission…
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Jeff Berkowitz: Chris Matthews, you grew up a Republican and you became a Democrat—you worked for [Speaker] Tip O’Neill, you worked for [President] Jimmy Carter, you worked for Lincolnesque [Senator] Ed Muskie—
Chris Matthews: What did you call him?
Berkowitz: Lincolnesque Ed Muskie,
Matthews: That’s right.
Berkowitz: I meant no disrespect, that’s how he was known by many.
Matthews: Sure, sure
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Berkowitz: …Is the Republican Party the Freedom Party
Matthews: Well, on the issue of guns, you would say the Republican Party is. On the issue of abortion, you would say the Democratic Party is. On the issue of national health [care], you would say the Republican Party is. So, it varies. ..
Berkowitz: …Many Republicans say they believe in less spending, less taxes, less intrusion [into lives of individuals], putting abortion aside—
Matthews: Well, you can’t put abortion aside.
Berkowitz: You can’t?
Matthews: Well, women can’t.
Berkowitz: But, you grew up as a Catholic, right?
Matthews: Yeah.
Berkowitz: So, how does that influence your view on abortion?
Matthews: Well, I think it should be avoided.
Berkowitz: But, you are not ready to say it is something that—
Matthews: Well, you can’t use the law unless you are going to criminalize it. And, I don’t know of anyone who would put a woman in jail for ten minutes for having an abortion. So, what are we talking about? If we are not talking about the law, about criminal law—what are we talking about? How do you outlaw something without criminalizing it? Nobody I know wants to criminalize it, so what are we talking about?
Berkowitz: Could we criminalize it for the doctor?
Matthews: That would be the most contorted view of the law… you would be saying criminalize the agency role but don’t criminalize the perpetrator. No doctor goes to the door and says, “I’d like to perform an abortion here.” The woman goes to the doctor.
Berkowitz: I know you don’t want to put it [abortion] aside, but let’s put it aside just for a moment and let’s talk about spending, taxes and working—
Matthews: On economic issues, the Republicans are more libertarian.
Berkowitz: Which makes them the freedom party on those issues.
Matthews: On economic issues. Well, clearly that is the case—the Democrats would admit that.
Berkowitz: Well—
Matthews: I don’t know a single Democrat who wouldn’t say that their party is for more activist government, would you?
Berkowitz: But, they certainly wouldn’t say that they are not the party of freedom, right?
Matthews: Economic. Economic.
Berkowitz: They would agree that they [Democrats] are not the party of economic freedom?
Matthews: They would agree that they are the party of more socialized economic activism, which limits people’s freedom. Of course. Of course. The Democratic Party believes in all kinds of regulation…all kinds of regulation of business practices—minimum wage—of all kinds of practice for clean water, clean air, clean food, airline safety. The Democrats now want to have a federalized work force to inspect our luggage. Generally, the Democratic Party always goes for a public solution over a private solution. Sure, that’s a fact.
Berkowitz: What do you think? Should we federalize all those employees who scan our luggage?
Matthews: I think we should Americanize them. Only hire Americans. Start with that…
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"Hardball," Host Chris Matthews, as it will be cablecast on "Public Affairs," tonight, January 31, at 8:30 pm on Cable Ch. 21 throughout the City of Chicago. The show was recorded on November 8, 2001.
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Jeff Berkowitz, Host and Producer of Public Affairs and an Executive Recruiter doing Legal Search, can be reached at JBCG@aol.com
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Chris Matthews on “Public Affairs,” tonight at 8:30 pm on Cable Ch. 21 through-out the City of Chicago.
*****************************
Did Chris Matthews call Democrats socialists? Well, not quite, but very close. Alan Keyes, on the other hand, as a U. S. Senate candidate last year, minced no words and got skewered for it.
*********************************************
Chris Matthews: That was a spontaneous moment of leadership- and it separated him [President George W. Bush] from all the rest of us and it made him our Leader.
***************************************
Berkowitz: They would agree that they [Democrats] are not the party of economic freedom?
Matthews: They [Democrats] would agree that they are the party of more socialized economic activism, which limits people’s freedom…
****************************************
Matthews: Generally, the Democratic Party always goes for a public solution over a private solution. Sure, that’s a fact.
******************************************
Tonight's "Public Affairs," show features Chris Matthews speaking at the Union League Club of Chicago to the Authors’ Group about "W" and Gore and then Matthews faces 12 minutes of grilling from Berkowitz on Social Security, which political party is the Freedom Party, Abortion, Vouchers, the Clintons and much, much more. The shows airs at 8:30 pm on Cable Ch. 21 through-out the City of Chicago. It was taped on Nov. 8, 2001, just 7 weeks “after planes into NYC buildings.” In terms of Matthews' attitude toward Bush, what a difference a War makes.
A partial transcript of our show with Matthews is included directly below. For more on tonight's show, including another partial transcript, see the blog entry, below, dated January 21 at 12:30 am.
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Chris Matthews: [Al] Gore thought that if you did your homework, the teacher would like you. And, your fellow students would like you even more. Where he got that idea, I don’t know. He’s the kid with his hand in the face of the teacher, over all the other kids’—he always has the right answer… The third debate is what he [Gore] called his Goldilocks debate because he said it was just right. Well, my attitude is—I knew Goldilocks, I grew up with Goldilocks and you’re no Goldilocks…
I think it is interesting that a man who couldn’t win legitimacy from the Supreme Court’s 5 to 4 decision last year …received legitimacy in the most sacramental way on September 14th, the Friday after [September 11, 2001] when he want to New York [at the 9/11 site] and stood with that older fireman and put his arm around him and somebody yelled, “I can’t hear you,” and he said, “Well, I can hear you, and soon the people who knocked down these buildings are going to hear from all of us.” That was a spontaneous moment of leadership- and it separated him from all the rest of us and it made him our Leader. And so, George Bush, who didn’t have a mission- he was down at the ranch hanging out sometime in August [2001], looking for something to do…ride around in his jeep or check the fence …now he had a mission…
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Jeff Berkowitz: Chris Matthews, you grew up a Republican and you became a Democrat—you worked for [Speaker] Tip O’Neill, you worked for [President] Jimmy Carter, you worked for Lincolnesque [Senator] Ed Muskie—
Chris Matthews: What did you call him?
Berkowitz: Lincolnesque Ed Muskie,
Matthews: That’s right.
Berkowitz: I meant no disrespect, that’s how he was known by many.
Matthews: Sure, sure
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Berkowitz: …Is the Republican Party the Freedom Party
Matthews: Well, on the issue of guns, you would say the Republican Party is. On the issue of abortion, you would say the Democratic Party is. On the issue of national health [care], you would say the Republican Party is. So, it varies. ..
Berkowitz: …Many Republicans say they believe in less spending, less taxes, less intrusion [into lives of individuals], putting abortion aside—
Matthews: Well, you can’t put abortion aside.
Berkowitz: You can’t?
Matthews: Well, women can’t.
Berkowitz: But, you grew up as a Catholic, right?
Matthews: Yeah.
Berkowitz: So, how does that influence your view on abortion?
Matthews: Well, I think it should be avoided.
Berkowitz: But, you are not ready to say it is something that—
Matthews: Well, you can’t use the law unless you are going to criminalize it. And, I don’t know of anyone who would put a woman in jail for ten minutes for having an abortion. So, what are we talking about? If we are not talking about the law, about criminal law—what are we talking about? How do you outlaw something without criminalizing it? Nobody I know wants to criminalize it, so what are we talking about?
Berkowitz: Could we criminalize it for the doctor?
Matthews: That would be the most contorted view of the law… you would be saying criminalize the agency role but don’t criminalize the perpetrator. No doctor goes to the door and says, “I’d like to perform an abortion here.” The woman goes to the doctor.
Berkowitz: I know you don’t want to put it [abortion] aside, but let’s put it aside just for a moment and let’s talk about spending, taxes and working—
Matthews: On economic issues, the Republicans are more libertarian.
Berkowitz: Which makes them the freedom party on those issues.
Matthews: On economic issues. Well, clearly that is the case—the Democrats would admit that.
Berkowitz: Well—
Matthews: I don’t know a single Democrat who wouldn’t say that their party is for more activist government, would you?
Berkowitz: But, they certainly wouldn’t say that they are not the party of freedom, right?
Matthews: Economic. Economic.
Berkowitz: They would agree that they [Democrats] are not the party of economic freedom?
Matthews: They would agree that they are the party of more socialized economic activism, which limits people’s freedom. Of course. Of course. The Democratic Party believes in all kinds of regulation…all kinds of regulation of business practices—minimum wage—of all kinds of practice for clean water, clean air, clean food, airline safety. The Democrats now want to have a federalized work force to inspect our luggage. Generally, the Democratic Party always goes for a public solution over a private solution. Sure, that’s a fact.
Berkowitz: What do you think? Should we federalize all those employees who scan our luggage?
Matthews: I think we should Americanize them. Only hire Americans. Start with that…
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"Hardball," Host Chris Matthews, as it will be cablecast on "Public Affairs," tonight, January 31, at 8:30 pm on Cable Ch. 21 throughout the City of Chicago. The show was recorded on November 8, 2001.
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Jeff Berkowitz, Host and Producer of Public Affairs and an Executive Recruiter doing Legal Search, can be reached at JBCG@aol.com
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